nelson mandela, someone who was consistent and such a leader. u.s. markets observed moments of silence for him on friday. you know, he visited the floor of the exchange in 2002. and i remember he went and met so many people, the shoe shine guy. he went out of his way to meet everyone. he also, you know, he worked with some of the biggest names in corporate america to change the way the business gets done in south africa. he reportedly went to coca-cola during his visit in the u.s. in the '90s. rejected the company to sponsor his trip because it did still business in south africa. what influence did he have on the how companies behave? >> it was quite important because he did something which surprised people. remember, the anc was a radical revolutionary organization. it drew a lot of support from communist countries, from revolutionary movements, castro, gadhafi, arafat. everyone thought he was going to be a left wing maniac. he was very pro business. he was very pro markets because he understood the future of south africa depended on the white busin